Homebirths to become illegal...

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Homebirths to become illegal...

Postby Mojojo » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:09 pm

Law to stop midwives working outside hospitals

By Kate Sikora
June 19, 2009 12:00am


HOMEBIRTHS will become illegal under tough new laws that prevent women using midwives to have children outside hospitals.

The move is set to drive homebirths underground, with expectant mothers and their babies at risk.

There are fears women determined to have a homebirth will "go it alone" like birthing advocate Janet Fraser, whose baby died during a natural water birth in April.

Under the draft Health Practitioner Regulation National Law, released last week, a midwife cannot be registered unless she has insurance.

But with insurance companies and the Government so far refusing to include homebirths in the indemnity scheme, midwives will face being de-registered if they attend a homebirth.

Women's groups accuse the Rudd Government of stripping women of rights by forcing them into hospitals.

Australian College of Midwives boss Dr Barbara Vernon said the Government's intention was obvious.

"I had been optimistic until now when you can see it in black and white," she said. "Even though only less than half a per cent of women have homebirths, they should have the same rights as a woman who chooses to have a caesarean. Homebirths won't stop."

About 150 midwives do homebirths in Australia. Called independent or private midwives, most do not work in a hospital and are uninsured.

But from July 2010, they will no longer be able to call themselves midwives even though they are trained. Only those insured and registered can use the term midwife, otherwise they face a $30,000 fine.

There are about 700 homebirths a year but some say this may be as high as 2100 as they are under-reported.

For TV presenter and marriage celebrant Elizabeth Trevan, giving birth to her 18-month old twins Nash and Harvey at home was an "overwhelming experience."

"It breaks my heart to hear that the Government will do this," she said. "This is about choice.

"The Government should be driving this and helping midwives who want to (do) homebirths. They will never be able to afford insurance."

Home Births Australia secretary Justine Caines said the new law took away the rights of women.

"It technically makes homebirthing illegal," she said.

The Royal Australasian College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists is against homebirths

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Sigh. Anyone else find it a little odd that you can elect to have a caesarian section even though it may not be medically necessary, but that with these changes you won't be able to elect to deliver a baby at home the 'normal' way even with a Certified Midwife?


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alicelt
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Re: Homebirths to become illegal...

Postby alicelt » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:02 pm

It makes me furious actually. Really, really angry.

Removing people's choices is not how a democratic government should act. Removing women's choices about how they birth is a direct and flagrant contradiction of basic human rights, IMO

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Re: Homebirths to become illegal...

Postby rdtj04 » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:10 pm

I don't even want to know what comes next... This is terrible. I am glad I won't be having anymore but what about the many that would like to have one at home. I desperately wanted a waterbath and couldn't have one either... Democratic Govt, yeah right...
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Re: Homebirths to become illegal...

Postby Mojojo » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:07 pm

I don't even want to think about what goes next. It's wrong on so many levels.
I got very very furious the other day when I read and am now still shaking my head in disbelief.

Basic decisions about how we treat our own bodies, how we manage what goes into them and how things come out of them decided by law?
:evil:

Every friend of mine (8 in total) who have had babies in the last couple of years, have all been by emergency C section after being induced a week or two before Due date because the doc "wanted it out" and no two of them with the same doc. Horrifying. For chrissakes they can't just let nature take its course??
Except one, which was twins, and they planned to C section them right from the start - not the mother, the hospital!! Apparently that's "just the way we do it these days"
And they reckon homebirths have more complications... like an emergency C with a stuck, induced Baby is perfectly fine. grrr.

I don't have any kids yet, but when I do in a year or two... don't even want to think about it.

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Re: Homebirths to become illegal...

Postby minnie » Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:57 am

Have to say the only ones telling us we have a democracy or democratic government IS THE GOVERNMENT. :o

Can't let the 'serfs' have choices...

Hmm I am a cynic ;)

All this will do the same as making abortion illegal, it goes underground and puts women and babies lives at risk.

Vicki

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Re: Homebirths to become illegal...

Postby Hausenview » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:02 am

This gets me so angry. My first was a hospital birth and almost ended in a C section because it was taking to long. The baby and myself were fine we just were taking longer than what they considered to be "normal" :evil:

Second birth was a home birth and was just great. It wasn't about fitting into certain guidelines.

I actually felt safer at home with a midwife than i did in the hospital. I know others feel more comfortable in hospital than the thought of being at home and that's fine to. But everyone should be allowed to make that choice for themselves.

Jodi
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Re: Homebirths to become illegal...

Postby Shadowgirlau » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:22 am

Well I have no strong feeling on the issue at all. I beleive in choice and therefor it should be up to the individual as to where and how they want to have their baby.

People tend to blame the Drs for the increase in intervention and while in some cases that is so it is not always the Drs who want to intervene and do a C-Section, often it is the woman wanting to dictate when the baby will born and more importantly "I want it pain free"
We do as patients have a choice and have a voice which we can use to say No this is what I want, so if one then sits there and says nothing when something is suggested, they have no reason to complain about it afterwards.

I have seen many women come in to hospital to give birth and all is fine until the first serious twinge and then it is -
"give me that epidural" now! They don't care if it is going to affect the baby or may have serious ramifications/effects for themselves, they just want pain free.

Now listen closely and you will likely hear my scathing disdain for women who don't prepare for natural childbirth. This disdain is almost as strong as that which I feel for so called feminists :roll:

We bought all this on ourselves and although the myth is we can have or do anything, it is just that - a Myth

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Re: Homebirths to become illegal...

Postby Hayhay » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:16 pm

Kathleen the issue here is that, under the governments current plans, by mid next year it will be illegal for a midwife to attend a birth at home. Which completely denies choice.

So some women wish to be in hospital with epidurals etc as options; the fact that they can decide that, yet the government is planning to not allow a woman to have a midwife attend her at home if that is what she chooses? That stinks.

It won't be illegal for a woman to have her baby at home (ie they cannot make decisions about where a woman is...legally a woman could choose to birth on a beach or under a tree or wherever) but denying the legality of her choosing to have a qualified midwife with her is wrong and unjust and will undoubtedly create more dangerous situations, as Vicki said with abortions.

Our first baby was born by cesar. I must say we were very well respected and were given the choice based on the circumstances we were experiencing. But that is quite a rare experience. Most women who have cesars are not treated as the decision makers and are not given choices along the way.

Then our second baby was born at home with a midwife and it was awesome! I never knew birth could be so amazingly normal. And if a woman wants to choose that, then surely she has to right to have a qualified midwife attend her birthing?

I too felt much safer at home with the midwife we knew well. Alot of people commented that I was brave to have my baby at home. Honestly it was the other way round. I would have had to be immensely brave to have my baby in the hospital, where they were wanting to perform so many interventions without a speck of reasoning (unless you count legal liability)

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Re: Homebirths to become illegal...

Postby Shadowgirlau » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:10 am

Kathleen the issue here is that, under the government’s current plans, by mid next year it will be illegal for a midwife to attend a birth at home. Which completely denies choice?


I do realise that the issue is choice.

I have two children. I had them both in hospital without intervention at all including pain relief of any type or description and that includes the funny gas. Admittedly I did not prepare for what was going to happen (childbirth) at all. My choice and as I said previously, I do believe in choice.

As I also said, I don't believe we have a choice in anything these days and to think otherwise is to purport the myth that we do. Maybe I should have said – these days we only have a choice when it comes to ourselves and not when it comes to the collective because when it comes to us collectively we are dictated to by a series of governments, whom incidentally we chose to put in power knowing full well what would happen, broken promises, back flips, childish self serving behaviours and not much else.
I also have to wonder, if people are so concerned about this issue, then why isn’t there more noise about it? Why isn’t it being reported more? Why are the very women who want to be given a choice, who want home births under supervision of midwives, even midwives themselves, why are they not being very vocal about this and visibly out there in the streets, in the news saying they want a choice?

If this is what people really want, then they should be out there making a HUGE noise about it all.

Kathleen
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Re: Homebirths to become illegal...

Postby greenfarmers » Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:04 pm

The sad thing is the numbers of independent midwives has already dropped dramatically as it becomes harder and harder to deal with the insurance issue - you and I might not prosecute the midwife, as we all take the risk calculatedly ... but there are others (speaking specifically of a case where the baby died and the grandparents sued the midwife) who make the risk less attractive for midwives.

10 years ago when we had our homebirth there were probably a dozen midwives to choose from, now I only know of one of those women still working in the field. And within the last year, I know of half a dozen women who have birthed alone, unassisted at home, because there was no midwife option. These parents did not make their decision to stay away from hospital lightly.

Heidi

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Re: Homebirths to become illegal...

Postby Hayhay » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:19 pm

I think there has been a heap in the media about it. Personally I've been on the front cover of two papers with my boys; and on the WIn news once, attended two local protest rallies, written to local politicians......and still having to chase up an interview with our local MP. There is a huge protest at parliament house planned for september. There have been a number of appearance on daytime TV shows with midwives and mothers. Also Insight a few months ago hosted a topic on the issue. The bigger the noise the better!

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Re: Homebirths to become illegal...

Postby minnie » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:37 am

Hi Hayley,

Good on you for standing up for what you believe in! :D

When so many are complacent on soooo many issues.
:D
Vicki

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Re: Homebirths to become illegal...

Postby Hayhay » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:52 pm

I'm gonna post a separate topic with what we can all do to help out. Thanks for the encouragement Vicki!


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